Live True To You » Episode 14. What is being "spiritual" exactly?

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Lori: It's okay to be spiritual. Even if you're not religious. I don't have any crystals to put under the moon and don't have time to meditate.
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Helen: Because that's when life gets fun, becomes fulfilling, and then you discover that it really is okay to be spiritual. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. Views expressed are those of the hosts and guests. Personal experiences. The information provided is not a substitute for professional advice, whether medical, legal or otherwise. Welcome back to another episode of It's okay to Be Spiritual. I'm Helen.
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Lori: And I'm Lori.
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Helen: And we've had another question.
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Lori: We have another question.
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Helen: These are so exciting. Keep sending them in.
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Lori: We are very excited. This question says, having listened to most of your podcast as a new entrant to this area of interest, it's not clear to me what even being spiritual is. If it's okay to be spiritual, what does being spiritual even mean? Do I get a dollar for every time I said spiritual in that?
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Helen: You just set my train of thought off on that dollar song. The laundry dollar song.
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Lori: Not got nothin.
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Helen: Oh. Never mind. Anyway, she would sing this song on stage and everyone would throw dollars up. And she said it actually started to hurt.
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Lori: Oh, yeah. No. Well, no one's throwing dollars at us, but they are throwing questions. So the question is about being spiritual. Helen, what is being spiritual mean? Can you describe it? Is it easy to describe?
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Helen: Oh, I'm so glad you chucked the word easy in that question. It's not easy to describe. And it because it's about to me, there's so many ways you could say it. Trying to keep it simple and saying that it's it's being your true self. So what's your true self? That's equally as hard to explain. So it's easy to explain what it's not. So what it's not is your ego. Everything about the ego is pretty much the polar opposite to your true self.
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Lori: Mhm. And how would you explain the ego for someone who maybe hasn't heard that term. I mean you do hear oh you're an ego trip. That's probably something people have heard. Um.
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Helen: So the ego is when we're separated from source energy. So we think we're on a, it's like when life's in a, we're in a fight for survival against life. And depending on how difficult that fight is for each of us is, you know, guides the egoic experience. But the ego is created when we forget who we are, who we truly are, and we forget our connection to source. And let's face it, we're raised in a world that says, you know, you're you, I'm me, and there is no connection between us, except maybe for the fact we're sitting on the same couch. Mhm. But and we live in a world that raises us to think that there's no connection between you and that plant or me and that plant or us in this building. There's just no connection. We're just all individuals, single units fighting for survival. And if you don't water that plant, it's fight for survival will be over. And if we don't eat and we don't have shelter, our fight for survival will be over. And the other thing that ego does is it fears death. Everything about the ego is about fear. And ultimately the ultimate fear is dying.
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Lori: It's really interesting you mention that because since I've been on the spiritual journey, my acceptance and awareness of death is becoming a lot more not fully comfortable. But I absolutely fear death. And that was one of my things that I really had to when I had like my like dark night of the soul and like Absolute Surrender. It was the whole if this is it for me, then just take me, you know? And I got to that point, which I think is one of the first where my ego breaking down and that's the death. I love that you just mentioned that because that resonates.
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Helen: Yeah. And it is an aspect of the dark night of the soul, isn't it? Whether you get a dark night or a big event or whether it kind of like drags out over years, like mine, did you still come to that point? You know what? I'm done. But if you're not there yet.
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Lori: Yeah.
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Helen: And I'm sure lots of people who listen to us aren't there yet.
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Lori: Know.
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Helen: Then you know, the ego is where you're caught in judgements. I used to be, I can remember saying to one of my spiritual mentors, I just hate that I walk around all day, every day, judging everything and everyone and every aspect of everything, and I can't seem to stop it. And he just looked at me and smiled and said, it's really good that you're observing that.
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Lori: Yes. So becoming spiritual is broadening your observation, being more mindful of yourself, being more mindful of your consciousness and your thoughts and what you're creating with those thoughts.
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Helen: And remember. Um, in a previous episode, we talked about what it was, the episode about the pitfalls in the spiritual journey. And I and I said one of the pitfalls is stopping at mindset. Mhm. Because to me, the mindfulness aspect and the mindset are all a path to a deeper spiritual relationship with source energy. Directly with source energy. Oh, that's another point. You know, we say in our intro, you know you don't have to be religious. You don't have to have crystals because this is all about a direct relationship between each of us and source. Now intermediaries know, you know, Archbishop, whatever that can speak to God And you can't. None of that crap.
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Lori: Yeah. So you don't to be spiritual. Yeah. You don't need to be religious. And you don't have to be either. You know, you can be if you want. Or you can believe in nothing. You can believe in the universe. You can believe in the Big bang.
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Helen: Don't.
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Lori: Matter. But you don't even have to believe in that. You just have to believe in something bigger than you.
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Helen: And you don't in a way you don't even have to believe. You just feel it.
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Lori: Actually. Yeah, don't believe in anything. Just live your life in alignment and you'll know.
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Helen: Yeah. Because beliefs to get us back up in our head, you know, and then we think we have to stick to that belief because that's our belief. It really is better just not to have any. Yeah. Except to know. And is it a belief or isn't it. I mean, we could argue over words, but to know that you're in relationship with something bigger, with source energy, you know, and that's why we get the feedback with all the signs and synchronicities that we always talk about all the time.
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Lori: Mhm.
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Helen: That's our knowing that's our day to day experience of our relationship with source.
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Lori: Yes. That's a really good way to look at being spiritual. Yeah. And seeing that and it's about you can step back, take a higher perspective and choose how you react to situations. So a non spiritual person or someone who's living in the ego will react a certain way, and then someone who is more spiritual will be able.
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Helen: To create what they want.
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Lori: Yes. And it's happening for you not to you. And these experiences are leading you down a pathway to a better version of yourself, and you're able to see that. But if you're in the ego, you're getting very stuck. And there's probably lots of problems and you're constantly pushing and things aren't happening for you, and you've got this mindset of, oh, I'm not surprised that happened to me because that always happens.
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Helen: Oh my God, that's a shitty mindset.
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Lori: Yeah, but.
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Helen: I've been there, done.
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Lori: That. Yeah, that's very common. I wanted to share. I was, uh, reading a book this morning, Raise Your Vibration by Kyle Grey.
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Helen: Oh, we're back to talking about.
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Lori: I know we don't talk about Kyle Grey enough on this podcast for my my dreams. Here comes the siren. I mean, look, that's a sign of anything but Kyle Grey will be on this podcast one day, but I was reading Raise Your Vibration by Kyle Grey, and he was putting the book to publishers and trying to get interest to publish the book, and people weren't responding. And he was he was a spiritual person, obviously, at this point, and he just thought so an ego person would keep pushing, and they wanted him to change titles and the general gist of the book. And but he, being a spiritual person, just handed it over to the universe and said, if this book is meant to be published and the people that it's meant for, it meant to read it, it will happen and it will happen as the way it's meant to happen. And he handed it over to the universe, and it got published in the context that he wanted it published, and he tells the story of of going shopping on a on a book tour. Part of the publicity tour he did for the book. And he walked into a shop to buy something, and he mentioned he was there on publicity for his book, and someone behind the counter comes out and says, your book changed my life. That book took me out of a very dark place. I didn't want to be here anymore. And the messages in the book, the tools that you give, the insight that you give, just. And I get goosebumps even like you're getting it too. I can see it on you like high vibrational people, like when that happens to you. And he even says he walked out of that shop and just tears poured out of his eyes because it's it was always, you know, it was going to happen. The universe had me. They, you know, the people that needed to read the book, read the book.
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Helen: But also he relinquished control, controls, an aspect of the ego, you know, if he'd never surrendered it. Yeah, he'd never let go of the. He probably wasn't, you know, in the egoic state when he surrendered it. But, you know, for people who are earlier in their journey than he was at the point of that book, then you it's like it reminds me of how I used to try and control who I spent time with so that I had control of my own vibration.
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Lori: Yeah. Interesting.
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Helen: You know, and to to a degree, we can still do that, but it happens more naturally. And, you know, recently I've been put in many situations that I would never have put myself in, like in a vibrational environment I would never have gone to. And I have been able to hold my vibration in that environment.
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Lori: Yes.
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Helen: Whereas that's coming from a completely different perspective to when I used to try and control my environment, to hold my vibration.
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Lori: And I had a little bit of a moment this week. Uh, Mercury retrograde, Saturn retrograde. Mars. God knows whoever else is in this crazy mix. Astrology mix. It's going on. Had a little bit of a moment. Hell, I was on the receiving end of this moment. But I was very eagerly. And it was about podcast and what I wanted it to do and how fast I wanted it to move. And I wanted to be seen, and I wanted us to be seen, and I wanted people who needed to hear our message, hear it. And I was really bent on courses or things we could do or processes that I was really pushing. And it was very, very intense. And I was like, do this, do this. We need to do this, do this. And then I just went, what am I doing? Like, why do I need to be saying, why am I so desperate for people to get this message? And I just went, I mean, I worked through it because I'm very self-aware, which is another thing that comes with being spiritual. You you catch yourself quickly when you're in these moments. It probably would have gone on for days or weeks when I wasn't as aware. But you have this awareness and you suddenly pull up and go, what is going on here, and I work through it. And then I came to the whole, whatever is meant to be is meant to be. If one person now looks at an angel number, then it's done its job and that's all you know. That's all I could possibly hope for. And that person tells someone, and someone else tells someone. And if that's the purpose of the universal flow of this podcast, then that's what it's meant to be. That goes bigger. Great. But if if not, then I'm actually like, I feel really good about that too. And I had to get to that point now. And so now I've surrendered and I'm like, whatever. We're having fun though, right? And that was the point. When you're in your ego, you're not having fun. I was not having a fun time needing and wanting and desperately seeking and.
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Helen: Well, when you're in your ego, you think, I won't have fun with this until XYZ happens. Yeah, I'll love the podcast when we have a thousand listeners. Yeah, we do not have a thousand listeners yet. But you know, tell some friends, maybe we will, but yeah. Um, The. The ego always says, I'll be happy if or I'll be happy when.
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Lori: Yes. Stop waiting. Don't wait for the the thing to happen like it's here. It's now like this is the thing. Nothing more needs to happen. You're creating your life. This is it.
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Helen: You're perfect just the way you are.
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Lori: Yeah. And so spiritual people can accept that and see it and just have a different perspective on life. And there's ups and downs.
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Helen: Oh, of.
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Lori: Course it's not all rainbows.
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Helen: There's so much unlearning. Yeah, actually, I think I put that in a text to you deny this week.
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Lori: Yes you did. Actually.
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Helen: I can't remember the context, but I do remember it saying, if we can be fast learners, we can be extra fast on learners, because I can't remember if it's this episode or another to be honest, but our core self is us. We don't have to learn us. All we have to do is unlearn the ego. Because like I just said, we're raised in an egoic world that teaches us we're all separate. We just have to unlearn all that learning. I'm not swearing on this podcast. And then we were then. Then our true self is just revealed and then we just be. That's why it's such a hard question to answer. Because when you just be. Yeah, you're just being.
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Lori: How do you describe that? I don't know.
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Helen: It's really difficult.
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Lori: But it's a journey. And if you're not on it, that's okay too. If you're at the start of it, if this is the first time you're hearing these things, if you continue to watch us and listen to what we're talking about and how we talk about it, you'll start to see what spiritual is, because you can compare it to another aspect. And the contrast of light and dark is really important in this. So you can see the things that light you are what makes you happy. You know, spiritually, like you're feeling into that. There's a lot of feels, I think when you're spiritual, you don't block off the heart. You almost make a commitment to open your heart up to whatever is there for you, even when you don't know what it is.
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Helen: Mhm. And that's what I spend so much time with when I'm mentoring people, because we're all so well in the egoic world, we won't open our heart unless we think we can trust the person, and then we won't trust them until they've proven their trust that we, you know, they've earnt their trust by doing this and this and this and this and this, and then we'll trust them. Yeah. There's so many barriers to opening our heart, but we don't have to have those barriers. So that's what I help people fast track and get comfortable with.
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Lori: Hmm. So being spiritual not easy to answer.
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Helen: No.
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Lori: Raising your vibration is part of being more becoming spiritual. And on that journey, you need to let go of denser vibrations. And so you might step into more self-help or, uh, books and guidance and mentoring and aiming high and reaching a potential that you didn't know you could reach as well. When you become spiritual, you don't you don't have these beliefs in your system that you can't do things. Anything is possible. Hmm.
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Helen: You feel like it's the process of freeing yourself from judgement and control and attachment and comparison and all the things that drive us crazy. Hmm. Did we answer the question?
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Lori: I hope so. I think just keep listening.
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Helen: And just know that you get to do your journey on your own terms. You don't have to be part of any strict type organisation.
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Lori: Yes. And you don't have to meditate every day. You don't have to carry crystals. You don't have to, you know, go to a weekly group.
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Helen: You don't even have to get into astrology if you don't want to.
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Lori: No, no, I mean, it explains a lot of things, but maybe you don't need it. Explain. Maybe you're just.
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Helen: Just make friends with someone who's into it. Yeah.
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Lori: I mean, energetically, I feel it anyway. You know, you become more aware of energies and all that.
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Helen: And ultimately, what we're saying is have fun with it.
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Lori: Yeah.
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Helen: Let go and have fun.
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Lori: Yeah, yeah.
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Helen: And then suddenly, you'll discover that it is okay to be spiritual because you're being spiritual.
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Lori: When you're having fun.
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Helen: And things are flowing. It's moving out of force and into flow, isn't it? The ego's all force, all have to get this done by this time. Like, it's it's forceful, it's demanding, it's impatient. It's forceful.
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Lori: Mhm. And society expectations as well. There's a lot of letting go of those and ideals.
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Helen: I have to be this type of a person to be able to achieve this. Or I have to look like this to get that or, you know, whatever. Yeah. But when you're being spiritual, you're just in the flow with life. And life is communicating with you all the time. And don't go there. Go here.
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Lori: Mhm. Yes. Opportunities open up for you.
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Helen: The right person appears at the right time.
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Lori: Yes. Yeah. And it's already. It's already done. Right. You just have to know that it's coming.
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Helen: It's such an easier way to live. That's why it's more fun. Yeah.
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Lori: Just great. And that'll be part of it.
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Helen: Yeah. And that's the other thing, too. The journey never ends, does it? No. I mean, I'm no archangel yet, so I've got a lot of journey ahead of me.
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Lori: I never ends.
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Helen: Like across multiple lifetimes and multiple dimensions. Even, I don't know.
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Lori: I'm still trying to get there.
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Helen: So I'm really grateful for this question. And what we did try to answer the question. Remember, we didn't like the recording and we actually didn't release it.
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Lori: No we didn't. So intuitively, it was showing us that we did need to answer this question, but we weren't maybe ready to answer it then. And so we let go of that. Right. So we weren't happy with what we recorded. We just let go of it. And then it's popped up again at a point where hopefully we can articulate it better.
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Helen: So I keep sending in your questions, keep letting us know how you find the podcast, and we'll keep making things that we think will help, like the meditation we made. Yeah.
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Lori: Lots more in store for next year as well.
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Helen: Oh yeah. Next year is going to be really exciting.
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Lori: So stay tuned and keep being spiritual in whatever way you want to be.
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Helen: Yeah, and have fun and tell a friend about the podcast. It'll help create this network for you. Of all the cool, fun people that you can talk about, synchronicities and signs and how to let go of the ego. So until next time.
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Lori: We'll catch you then.
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Helen: Bye for now.

Episode 14. What is being "spiritual" exactly?

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