Live True To You » Episode 10. Spiritual Pitfalls

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Lori: It's okay to be spiritual even if you're not religious. Don't have any crystals to put under the moon and don't have time to meditate.
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Helen: Because that's when life gets fun, becomes fulfilling, and then you discover that it really is okay to be spiritual. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. Views expressed are those of the hosts and guests personal experiences. The information provided is not a substitute for professional advice, whether medical, legal or otherwise.
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Lori: Welcome back to another episode of It's Okay to Be Spiritual. I'm Lori and this is Helen.
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Helen: Hi.
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Lori: Helen. Shuffling our cards to have a look. Oh, here they go. Pick which? Use your intuition. Which one do you like?
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Helen: It's just another good one.
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Lori: Ah. In your experience, what's the biggest pitfall in the spiritual journey?
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Helen: Oh, I know, not starting.
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Lori: You love this one. Not starting. Helen.
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Helen: Not starting. The spiritual journey sucks. That's like living in the dark. Not of the soul. Day in and day out.
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Lori: What's the dark night.
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Helen: Of the soul? Oh, Lori, we we disagree. We know we don't disagree. We have differing experiences of this, which is valuable, right? Because everyone has a different experience of it. I agree, so I don't remember as very specific night or day. Um, moment mind sort of like was this long drawn out, extended period of depression really? So that was my dark night of the soul. Either stay like that or I change. Hmm.
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Lori: That's interesting. Where is mine? Mine was a Of mine was a tower from the tarot. So Dark Knight of the soul. Like before.
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Helen: After you learned to read tarot cards.
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Lori: Before. So I did pick it though, because I was playing around with some cards and I had some nasty ones come up and I was still looking at a book, and I and I looked at the book and I thought, yeah, I don't like the look of that. And that's what it was. That was the Dark Knight of the soul coming in. Uh, but it was an event, you know, and I like dying of ego. You know, a lot of people have it coming from. Some people can have it from a trauma or marriage breakdown, job loss, traumatic experience, death of someone close to you. So to me, a dark knight of a soul is a triggering event, whereas you see it as more of an ongoing thing. And then there's a point. There's a point where it's just a point where it changes, right?
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Helen: Oh, you really want the answers to those questions? Yeah. Who am I? Why am I here? What am I doing? What am I meant to be doing? How do I be happy?
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Lori: Yeah, and it either is a nice, slow, maybe not nice, but no, it wasn't nice. No, nothing nice about that. Really? Nothing nice about either scenario?
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Helen: No, that's what's called dark. Nothing.
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Lori: But yeah. So there is something that is triggering and then. Yeah, absolutely makes you question everything.
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Helen: Mhm.
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Lori: Is that what this we got decide was meant to be about spiritual pitfalls.
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Helen: But we got onto dark nights of the soul.
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Lori: Um okay. Well if we go back to spiritual pitfalls because the dark night of the soul isn't really a spiritual pitfall, let's be clear. It's a triggering. Yeah, yeah. And it started because I said a pitfall is not starting the journey. Yeah. Always resisting. Oh, that leads me to another thought. Um, whenever I've come across people who have spiritual gifts, but they've resisted them and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they seem to have a very kind of stuck life. It's like they'll only live their life within certain parameters.
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Helen: And you live a. You survive, not thrive. Right? There's a potential to thrive out there, but you get stuck in just survival.
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Lori: Yeah, it's more like a struggle.
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Helen: Yeah.
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Lori: Struggle for survival.
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Helen: Yeah. I think a spiritual pitfall is getting too spiritual. What you want. You want to just. I mean, I speak from experience on this, so.
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Lori: I mean fundamental Christian or something.
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Helen: No, nothing like that. So I mean, I just nothing like that. I just mean you just want to do everything. You want to do breathwork, you want to do healing, you want Reiki healing, you want kinesiology, you want a shaman to just pull everything out of you and tell you what your past was all at once, because you think that this is going to open up this, this pathway, and it's just to love and light and healing. And I just want to be healed and I want to do it now, you know. And so you get two spiritual. And so you're up here a lot. And you're just so high that you just disconnect with the rest of you. And so you're very ungrounded. You start just seeing you just you're hard to get along with, I think. I mean, I lost my husband.
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Lori: I was just gonna say that. Anita, this podcast needs a da. Lucas.
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Helen: And and I was meditating every night for at least half an hour, so I would, like, put kids to bed, do everything, and then just be like, see you in the morning. I've got I've got work to do up here, you know, and I would just tap in every night and just talk to my guys and get guidance and pull cards and light candles and have this ritual. And I was completely isolating myself from him and just life, really, because I just wanted to tap into it and I wanted to develop my abilities, and I wanted it all to come in hard and fast. But when that happens, there's also this pitfall, and it's not. It's nicer to do it slowly.
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Lori: With more balance.
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Helen: Yeah, more balance, more grounding, more earthing in between, more having a meal together, more going for a walk as opposed to meditating by yourself. You know you can do that, but not not excessively.
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Lori: But you can also turn the everyday life exercises into a spiritual exercise. Like you can be in a meditative state doing the dishes.
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Helen: Yeah, yeah. And I was just being true structured with it. Yeah. So I could, I could have been doing the dishes thinking about what brings me joy. Hey, what brings you joy? You know, making it a two way conversation, becoming spiritual as opposed to me just isolating and just talking through my head to people?
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Lori: Yeah, I think I definitely did a fair portion of that too.
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Helen: Yeah.
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Lori: Do you think you get really sucked in? Well, because it's such a unique experience, isn't it? It's actually quite difficult to share.
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Helen: Yes.
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Lori: Um, and it has the. Well, the only way I've found to share it is, is literally what we're doing, asking each other questions, being prepared to listen, and being prepared to accept that everyone's experience of even the same meditation will be different. Um, everyone's ability to hear their gods is different. Yeah. So there's in a way, there's lots to talk about, lots to connect with.
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Helen: Yeah. And a pitfall can be true. We have touched on it before, but just expecting it to be the same every time. So I have a huge pitfall. Yeah. Like I've connected with my gods and I've had him appeared, but he doesn't come in very often. And so when I meditate with the intent to connect and he doesn't turn up, I'm like, ah, okay, right. All right, do it again tomorrow, do it again. I'll do it again. But it's just you're not meant to have that every time. Like a pitfall is expectation that it always will be the same.
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Lori: Yeah. Or maybe he's connecting in ways that you haven't figured out or directly related to him. Mhm. He's like oh she hasn't sorted me on that one yet.
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Helen: Ah.
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Lori: It's like a game of cat and mouse.
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Helen: Oh, it's a game. Trust me, it's not a game.
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Lori: I did write on the back of this card. Stopping at mindset. Yeah, I think that's a spiritual pitfall. Some people will get into this. Um, like this positive. This forced positive thinking process where where they're not actually listening to spirit. They're just it's it's moved from. I don't know how to explain it. Like a beneficial positive thinking like that does actually lift your spirits to a forced positive thinking that actually feels more force than flow.
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Helen: And maybe no inspired action with the thoughts. So if you think.
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Lori: Or forced action instead of inspired action, yeah.
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Helen: So what's an example of that, do you think?
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Lori: Um hmm. Don't have one.
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Helen: What about if you want to change your mindset set that you can attract a partner into your life. You know, someone who's been through a tough, tough journey and they just think that they're not worthy of love and that they can't be loved and they don't deserve love. You can just change your mindset, which you will. You know that. That is some techniques you will be given. If you saw someone of I am worthy of love looking in the mirror, I love myself. I am worthy of love. But if you don't believe it, nothing will actually change. And so you should be doing supportive practices to help believe that you are worthy of love. And you do love yourself. So like pampering yourself, taking time out for yourself, doing a walk, feeling love by nature, going for a float, you know? So it's just more than just changing your mindset. You're changing your actions as well to complement the mindset.
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Lori: Hmm. I'm listening here thinking, did you choose a bigger topic for an example, like a more complicated, more, um, fiercely opinionated topic. Well, it's it's the big.
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Helen: One, right?
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Lori: And I love.
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Helen: A lot of my reads and a lot of, a lot of wounding that people have is about having been through something and not feeling worthy of it because of what's.
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Lori: Happened. Self-love is about connecting to your own soul. For me anyway, being once for my soul's a pure, positive love energy. And so when we're connected through with that in our physical life experience, we emanate more love and therefore can attract more love. Mhm mhm. Right. Well that was a big topic for our 30s.
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Helen: Stopping at mindset. Don't stop it. Mindset.
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Lori: No.
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Helen: Hello.
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Lori: Yeah. But embody it I suppose is something that I meant as well instead of forcing it. It's an embodied thing. And then you begin the mindset is less of a forced thing because it becomes in you're listening to spirit. Spirit's always going to give loving, kind messages. If it's not, then you're not listening to spirit. You're listening to something else. So then the whole sort of positive thinking mindset becomes a thing of the past in a way, as you progress along the journey, would you agree?
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Helen: Yeah, because it just changes by default because you're not in that vibration anymore.
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Lori: And you're listening to spirit and you're having this whole new conversation with life itself, you know, as you go, you know, that's where we get back into the signs and synchronicities because life and spirit and your guides and whatnot are starting to communicate with you in a loving way. So, yeah, that you've just elevated beyond positive thinking alone.
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Helen: And what about a pitfall of thinking that it should happen easy if it's meant for you? You know, I shouldn't have to work hard at this. I shouldn't have to. You know, the discipline and persistence.
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Lori: You need a lot of discipline and persistence. We didn't sell that in the trailer to this podcast.
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Helen: I saw.
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Lori: It.
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Helen: But you're on it now, so there's no getting no backing out. We're not letting you get away.
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Lori: You do need a lot of discipline and persistence, because there's so many old thought patterns that need to be let go of. There's so many old habits, there's so many ways we've hated ourselves and disliked ourselves and criticised ourselves and condemned ourselves that all has to be let go of.
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Helen: But it does get easier, do you think?
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Lori: Easier and ease begins to snowball?
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Helen: Yeah. It's not always going to feel so hard and like so much work and scheduling time in for yourself. You know, like it'll at some point it will just get easier and you may not be able to pinpoint that point. I think it just happens organically and you almost can't think back to when it changed.
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Lori: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
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Helen: Which I think is why it it is a lot of work. But then it just isn't work.
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Lori: Yes, definitely. It's like it's like a lot of work to build the little snowball, and then it starts rolling and it just builds itself after that. Um, but it's definitely worth snowballing for. Yeah.
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Helen: Jump on the snowball and roll down the hill with it. Because we're we're down the bottom. We're at the top. I don't.
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Lori: I don't know.
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Helen: Halfway. We're still rolling.
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Lori: Wester rolling catches on the way down.
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Helen: So I think we've covered it.
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Lori: Yeah I think that's it.
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Helen: The biggest pitfalls in the spiritual journey are worth or worth every bit. So if you have any questions send them in. If you have any pitfalls we haven't thought of, send them in or.
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Lori: Ones that you want us to dissect a little bit more.
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Helen: Or ones that we might be able to share a little bit of our experience and make it easier.
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Lori: Hmm hmm. That sounds.
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Helen: Good. Yeah. Until then, we'll catch.
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Lori: You next time.
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Helen: Bye for now.

Episode 10. Spiritual Pitfalls

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